It’s a New Earth Now

Dear Friends, I love this image of the seeker crossing a magnificent bridge into what looks like the future… It is what we have been promised, what we have been gifted to begin to see and to live, together. Linda Dillon, of the Council of Love, speaks often of the Cities of Light… and this image fits.

Rob Loveland and I, too, are part of the Council, two of the teachers & channels who are helping to bring forward this vision of an enlightened society, living new ways based on Love, in a brighter world…

One of the ways we are doing this is through the webinar just presented, The Bridge to Nova Earth, which led us all into co-creating some of the new ideas, elements and living systems for the New Earth, Nova Gaia. None of us can do this alone, but by pooling our thoughts, joining hearts and hands and creating together, we can begin to live in this new vibration, rooted mainly in the 5th-7th dimensions. Exciting, isn’t it? For sure!!

How could schools be better? Healthcare simpler, gentler & more effective? Transportation cleaner, easier, more enjoyable? What kind of homes will best shelter us -and- serve our spirits, foster our community life? How can we ensure that all our decisions are informed by wisdom, compassion and a dedication to equality and the wellbeing of every single person, living creature, plant or mineral, on our beloved planet? How do we organize our neighborhoods, our regions to sustain and nurture the natural systems that are so beautiful? How can we all thrive?

This is the content of our two-hour webinar, The Bridge to Nova Earth. The RECORDING is available by request, or HERE.

Below are parts of a recent channeling session with Archangel Uriel, Yeshua and Mother Mary in preparation for addressing these questions for the webinar: Take it in and Enjoy!

Council Fire Conversation, 6 Oct 2025

  • Yeshua, channeled by Rob Loveland
  • AA Uriel, channeled by Jennifer Donaldson
  • Mother Mary, channeled by Rachel O’Gara
  • [AA Michael, holding presence in the background with Roxanne]

Rob: This is Rob. So we’re talking about the different topics that are going to come up during the webinar, and how do we express the point to others? It could be any aspect of it, whether it’s releasing the old, how to envision the new and actually bringing that to fruition, examining our own beliefs, any of that.

AA Uriel: Be willing to offer the occasion for the exploration of these ideas.

It is not necessary for you to be experts in how to navigate this. You are all learning how to cross the bridge even, hand-in-hand. Yes. And if one of you tiptoes across and explores and says, “Oh, I see this on the other side!”, that is wonderful, but you must come back and help the others. Hand-in-hand, you will cross this bridge. It is a very wide bridge!

And just realize that what you are going through, others are going through too. They are questioning, and they are getting inspired. You just have dedicated yourself to being able to articulate this for others, and we thank you for that…

Yeshua: This is Yeshi. I would also point out, for a single day webinar, not all will be accomplished in one day, in a couple of hours. This is a process. Help everyone to understand what the promise is of the New Earth, of Nova Earth, of all the possibilities. It is wide open.

They should be greeting that possibility with joy. Anything that you, all, collectively, envision, choose to make happen, is what will be. It is such a time of excitement.

So yes, the letting go of the old is the first step, but the more important step is, what will the new be? This is a bridge to the New Earth, so if you do nothing else but show them where the bridge is and how to take those steps and to see all the possibilities of what is in front of them, then that will be a huge success.

AAU: It is the coming together that is going to be the greatest breakthrough for people to realize that they are no longer isolated. They are no longer in their containment chambers, of feeling themselves separate from everyone else, struggling along, suffering along by themselves or with a few people who they have spent years in relationship with.

You can begin now to reach your hand out to ANYONE in front of you at any time and feel the spark of “All Oneness,” and this will be the greatest revelation of all.

And the possibilities once you realize that ANY other is an expression of the Oneness that you are all beginning to understand, then you realize that what you can create together is completely unlimited. And you can start to begin to think, wouldn’t it be better if this were this way instead of that way? And you both agree on it, or all of you agree on it, and suddenly you will find that it begins to be that way.

Your dreaming together is powerful, way more so than you realize. I was reminding Jennifer of a vision she once had of a cliff top in the mountains, where a great circle of people had gathered and were dancing in this circle together, and there was great joy and great celebration. And we wish you to know that there is dancing on both ends of the bridge. You can dance across this bridge, and you can gather together in your groupings, and you can move together because you will be creating together. And movement, action, steps, joy, expression, all of this assists and energizes your creations.

But it is a time of celebration, and that is something also to invite people to realize. You have the mourning [of the old], of course, but then you have the celebration, celebration of life, your life, Now life…

Yeshua: If I may.  Ultimately, the remembering is simply this, that you are part of the One. So the illusion, as you referred to it, of what is not real, is feeling separated from all others and all of creation. So as you’re coming to embrace the idea, the truth that you are all one, then this becomes a time of joining together, having these conversations with those around you of what it is that you want to see, that you know needs to be, for the way life is in so many places is not working as well as it could and should…

But again, the possibilities are endless. So join together. Reach out to others. Be that helping hand, to help others realize who they are, what they are capable of, and collectively, what you are all capable of in changing every aspect of the world to realize that New Earth. It is happening! …

Mother Mary: Yes, and if I may — this is the Mother, Mother Mary — it is quite a revelation, when you’re not aware of what we’ll call an illusion. But it is simply just being. Being in the moment and wondering, feeling out the next moment and what brings you joy. That helps the collective as well and [is] part of the remembrance factor.

Where you are in this moment, dear Rachel, is the only moment you need to be in, with your dear friends. And leave away other cares and worries aside and do focus on helping others.

It crossed your mind earlier today, [that] if you were in more service of others, that would lift you, would it not? And, therefore, all, contributing to the One. You can get heady about it, or be in the joy, in the wonder of it all, knowing that your moment of action, whatever it may be, that good feeling is contributing…. [end of channeling]

~ Great thanks to Yeshua, mother Mary, and AA Uriel for the guidance and thanks, too, for all the commitment and camaraderie of our awesome channeling team: Rob, Rachel, Roxanne and myself, Jen. Don’t forget to register, you can always listen later to the recording and share the heart energy!

Divine Mother Says Create With Love & Desire

8/22/2025  Jennifer channeling Divine Mother on new opportunities, living presence & timing of our creations…

Jen: Well, I’m glad to be back after a week or more of not channeling,  I don’t have any burning questions. I’m very excited about the possibility of sharing an office space, in my town. Just excited about being present in the community and more available, maybe having a Spirit Cafe in person on a regular basis. I might as well start with that. Let’s see who would like to address this, this new emergence in my life. 

I’m hearing Mama, Mother, would you like to come and speak with me?  I’m getting teased for saying things three times in some of my prayers, because she’s saying, “I’m with you, I’m with you, I’m with you.”  And that answers another question I had, which is this humor, [is it] essentially from the Divine Masculine? But She’s trying to be funny too! Okay, just a sec, Mama. 

Divine Mother: We are having to thread our way through the bubbles of excitement within your field. We are most happy for you to be seeing this new growth in a way that is so exciting to you and so motivating and so encouraging. Yes, this woman who you spoke with today, being a great opportunity for you to connect with someone who you have long known. And the the speaking of my name, “Divine Mother”, was a code between you, and you felt it at the time, and you heard it. 

So you are navigating beautifully, and you are finding your way, and yes, there are always unknowns. But you are not cringing at the unknown or tying yourself up in knots, wondering whether to or not to.  You are trusting your owner inner feeling of propelling yourself forward to God, to be that which is for your greatest good and the greatest good of all others. 

So you see, you are not doubting your choices, your steps, the doors opening to you are the doors which you are happy to dance through. So we are very pleased for you, and very grateful to you for being steadfast in your vision, your desire to be of service in this way. Yes, you have your several hats, and it is valuable and well worthwhile to be an active grandmother, to be a steadfast and ever-expanding companion to your soulmate. It is very valuable to be a mother, still, and a daughter-in-law to one as ancient and wonderful as the one you have in your life. But of course, there is this part of you that wants to be you, just you.

There’s this part of you that wants to create and to grow and to offer all you contain, all that you have. You have a very deep well of experience, you have much nutrients, if it can be said that way, waters that are sacred, waters that are life-giving, waters that are full of nutrition, metaphorically, for all who you encounter, and it is your joy to pour this forth, to draw this forth, and to share the cup. This is what you came for, most of all, because it is core to your own being. We are happy for you. It is all a grand adventure.

 And if you have a question in your mind, it has to do with, “Is there enough time?” So let us look at this for a moment. Is there enough? Any “is there enough” question comes back to your belief in lack. Can there be a belief in lack of time? 

It would be more fruitful for you if you questioned whether this was the right time, not whether there will be enough time, but “Is this the right time?” Or perhaps wait a day or two, or perhaps wait a month or two. You wonder, “Is this the right time to start the Ascended Self Master Series?” You are in preparation stage. It will flower when it is ready. It may surprise you. It can accelerate quickly, or it can slow down. Either of these things is possible, and it has not yet been decided. 

So live each moment in Presence— that is where the juice is, that is where the life is, and all other experiences will be added unto that moment. You will grow from moment to moment, proceed, move, dance.  Just as in a dance, sometimes you take two steps sideways, and then two steps in the other direction, and then you spin forward, then you jump back. It is all a dance. 

You do not need to line up your days the way you are used to, sequentially, carefully divided, like inches in a ruler. No. Just live, just live, and you will find that there is time for everything that you dearly, dearly want to experience. It may look different than you thought. A trip to Madrid may be a video instead of a week. This is fine. Things may come together in a different way than you envision, and this is fine, but there will be time for everything that matters, everything with heart. 

Everything that has your love and desire infused into it will take form. This is how we create. I create with my love and my desire, and so do you. So do not worry about when you will know, because it will be present with you.  And you can always ask for clarification. “Is this the right time, Mother?”  Ask me, and I will say, “Never a better” or “Perhaps, wait just a bit.”  I’ll be happy to advise you.  You are just learning to trust time, your time, living time, not constructed time. 

Jen: Thank you, Mother, this is so wonderful, to talk with you. I feel you so clearly and strongly and warmly. 

Divine Mother: I do so greatly love all my children. That is what it is to be Mother, to be Divinity. I’m so glad you’re experiencing this now. 

Jen: Thank you Mama. 

Divine Mother: Thank you Rob for your role as Witness, as Brother. It is a sacred role. I will visit with you again anytime. Just ask.

Jen: I don’t feel like I’m made out of the same molecules as I was. 

Living In The Wonder

Just a note to introduce this new kind of channeling. Some of us – Rob, Roxanne, me and Rachel – have been experimenting for a while with simultaneous channeling. None of us have ever heard of this before, but we started by individually centering and then gathering around a focal point, a fire in the center of a circle, so we call these sessions “Council Fires”. Then a conversation emerges between all parties, our human selves and the Beings whose energy is coming through us. On this day, I was completely surprised to be channeling a Native American entity who called himself Red Bird. Later I looked up the name, and Wikipedia had a write-up and a painting of Chief Red Bird How interesting to have this happen! We are all so much more complex and amazing than we know. Jennifer Joy Donaldson

COUNCIL FIRE CHANNELING June 13th, 2025

Rob channeling Wakanataka

Rachel channeling Mother Mary

Jennifer channeling Chief Red Bird 

Jennifer:  So, I’m climbing down a ladder into a kiva. It’s a beautiful excavated Earth structure, combination of above ground, below ground. It’s a long ladder down into it from a little hole at the top. It’s just beautiful. You look up and you see sky, you look around you, and there’s a circle of people, people that you care about, people that you love, that you respect and admire, and just that are part of you, that are part of your family, part of your community. 

Rob: I’ve been watching a YouTube channel [with] a guy named The Trek Planner who’s traveling through and doing a three part series on Chaco Canyon, and he was going into the kivas and showing everybody what they looked like back in the day. 

Jennifer: Cool. Well, it may look like that for you or maybe look different, but I was just getting the the name of Chief Red Bird. I I don’t know if that’s me or someone else, if that’s who I used to be or who I’m gonna channel. How about you, Rachel?  

Rachel: I’m just sitting just yet. I’m not ready. I’m sitting with my mother. I’m at my bench. I don’t see the visuals the same way you guys do. I’m not sure yet, so I’m just going to continue to sit if that’s okay. 

Rob: If we’re going to be in a kiva, then I guess I should invite Wakanataka. 

Jennifer: Oh, how fun to create a gathering of our own, where we can share our thoughts, which we are already doing in the kiva of our Zoom Room. So let us all invite whoever we would like to to be with us in this circle. 

Rachel: Mother Mary. 

Jennifer:  Wonderful. I was just seeing her. That’s beautiful. 

Mother Mary: Hello all. It’s Mother Mary. It’s nice to be with you today in this moment, in this time. 

Chief Red Bird: Welcome all. This is Chief Red Bird, rather a surprise for Jennifer. It is a role which she herself played a great many lifetimes ago. She was very happy in this role at that time, and lived to a great old age, not particularly famous, but a lifetime in which great wisdom was stored, and the wisdom of what it is to live in community, what it is to love one another and support one another and to take one’s challenges together in a group, to help one another and to celebrate one another for all of the joys that life brings. All was shared equally and abundantly and openly. People did not hide from one another. People were transparently and openly who they were, knowing they were part of the group, accepted as part of the group, and cherished and honored in equal measure. We enjoyed one another greatly, and it was a grand adventure. 

Rob: This is Wakanataka. This one invited me in, and I thank you all for allowing me to join you. Was just commenting to Rob that there are no coincidences. He has recently been drawn to watching shows about life in such a community is this, with the kiva at the center as the gathering point for the community, not just for spiritual-oriented events, although All of life was far more spiritual in those communities, but for any community gathering. It was the multi purpose room, if you will, a place to gather and share, just to be with each other, much as you are gathered here today. So again, thank you. 

Mother Mary: This is Mother Mary. It’s delightful to be with you as we sit together in this joyful community. Jennifer, you had time in this place. And Jennifer, no— Rob and Rachel, your paths have crossed in different times, different dimensions, not necessarily in this one. But isn’t it a wonderful place to be? And that you all can commune together no matter where the location, time and space, dimension, and just be one in the love, in the love of being together. 

Red Bird:  Yes, in the sharing of wonder, the sharing of experience, the sharing of dreams, the sharing of memories, even from other places and other times. We were, as you are now, able to open to many dimensions of ourselves, parallel lives. You can call them former or future, but truly, they are all parallel. And you can express yourself in the Now moment in many, many different ways, such as Jennifer is doing now in this moment, re-membering and re-vitalizing the energy of this one who lived so happily in an indigenous First Peoples community. But we brought with us much from our awarenesses of other times, other places, other experiences, even out into the stars, which was the topic of your earlier communications. 

We were most interested to hear that you are owning yourselves as being populous in so many different spaces, not just the earthly one. Your soul journey is vast. Your memories are so numerous, as numerous as the stars in the night sky or the grains of sand on a beach.  They are so numerous that you will just trickle a few grains through your fingers, metaphorically, when you are remembering actively. It would be rather overwhelming to remember it all. 

So, little by little, you add more to your knowledge of yourself, but you have in many lifetimes been leaders, each of you. You have been leaders because you are very old souls, and you have often incarnated into groups where your access to wisdom is a little more to the surface than others. You have deliberately veiled yourselves less heavily so that you could act as guide. 

There are many instances where civilizations and groups of people have become lost for quite a long time, become confused, lost their way, and so many of you who have been with the planet since the beginning desire to come forward, willing to be in a leadership role, not always obviously, sometimes behind the scenes or in a quiet way, supportive, but in the still moments, you were supporting those who were making the decisions for the good of the whole and guiding them. 

So I do share this so that you begin to get a glimpse of all that you are. You are so much more than you can begin to fathom. What a wonder that is!

Mother Mary:  May I add, it’s wonderful to live in the wonder, isn’t it?

Red Bird: Truly.

(to be continued)

Mother Mary on Whether We’re Doing Enough

[Here’s some encouragement from the Mother on this Easter Sunday. Enjoy! i hope it helps; it certainly was helpful to me! — Rob]

Mother Mary: This is Mother Mary.

Rob was going into this somewhat resistant, feeling that anything that he hears would somehow be me hollering at him for not doing what he should be doing. No. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is no such thing as Me, or the Father or anyone from the Council or anywhere else on this side, chastising you for having done or not done something that you feel is part of your plan.

My plan is for the collective of humanity to take that step forward, to make that transition to what is new, what is coming, what is well on the way, and from our perspective, already here.

[Regarding] your questions about, “What am I to do next? Am I doing enough?”, of course, you are. You, perhaps, have no idea what impact you are having in teaching a particular class. Every heart you touch, every mind you expand, one at a time, expands exponentially beyond that — yes, over a little bit of time, but that’s not for you to worry about.

Every conversation you have with somebody else in the family, amongst your friends, reaching out through your social media, to just touch someone’s heart and say, “I hear you, I see you, I appreciate you.” That’s all that is required. That’s all that we expect, for every one of those actions has a significant impact on the overall vibration, as you call it, of the collective of humanity. The ripples start and they expand, ever growing, and touch so much more than you understand.

So I would suggest [to] give yourself a break. Do what you can in your own sphere, for wherever you are at the moment. If you’re not feeling up to a particular task, touch those that are around you, whom you see right now, before you. And when you ARE feeling up to expanding beyond that, do so because you are moved.

Rob, you are feeling that this time for you IS a time of new beginnings. It IS a time of transition. What happens in the next month, perhaps several months, marks a period of stepping out further and expanding your influence to those that you have felt, perhaps, up to this point have been off limits.

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The Choosing of the Mother

Prelude to the Christmas Story

Many know the biblical story of Archangel Gabriel announcing to the young Mary, “Don’t be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold, you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and shall name him ‘Jesus.’ He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.” [WEB Luke 1:30-32].  However, few know the full story of what led up to that point, which was so beautifully told through the channeling of Edgar Cayce.  For me, this is such an inspiring and fascinating story that I’ve made it a habit for many years to read it each Christmas season.  It’s that time of year again, so please allow me to show you the more fulsome picture as it unfolded so many years ago.

According to Edgar Cayce (specifically, the 5749 Reading series), Mary was born to Anna and Joachim who belonged to the Essene sect. In recognition of her spiritual destiny, they gave the 4-year-old Mary over to service in the Essene Temple (located at the School of the Prophets at Mt Carmel).  Mary was one of twelve such maidens to be prepared as a possible channel for the prophesied Messiah.  In fact, “Essene” meant “expectancy,” since they worked for generations to prepare the pathway.  In the temple service, the twelve maidens were trained in physical, mental, and spiritual purity, as well as the prophesies related to the Messiah.

When Mary was between 12-13, the time had come for the choice of which maiden would be the channel.  When all the maidens climbed the temple steps toward the altar for morning prayers, the sunrise illuminated the whole scene in a purple and gold hue.  As Mary reached the top step, a shadow passed over Mary alone, and there was thunder and lightening.  Archangel Gabriel then appeared and led her to the altar.  These were the indicators of choosing, leaving no doubt about the divine will of who would be the channel for the Blessed One.

I love the beauty and holiness of the scene, and I often wonder what Mary must have felt at that time.  While she had received years of preparatory training, did she really have any idea of the extreme joys, the weight of such responsibility, or the inconceivable hardship and heartache that she would have to bear?  How can one not be filled with awe?  I am humbled just thinking about it, and for me, it is now an inextricable part of the Christmas story.

This story and many others like it will be covered in an upcoming 6-part Council of Love eCourse on Yeshua and the Magdalena.  Starting on January 25, 2025 and running through 5 April 2025, on alternate Saturdays, Jennifer Donaldson and I will walk through the inspired lives and timeless message of these two Ascended Masters, as told through many traditions and channeled sources, not the least of which is Linda Dillon, author of The Jesus Book.  Beyond what happened in the past, they are still present and continue to teach us today!  Please consider joining us for what will no doubt be inspiring, thought provoking, and fun! [Click on the image for more details.]

Mother Mary: Guide them with your love…

Channeling Mother Mary, July 15, 2024

Jennifer: I offered myself as a channel with the intention of gaining deeper understanding on how to guide children, not quite sure who to address this question to so I will leave that part open just settling into my heart… Right. So, seeing Mother Mary she’s ready to engage on this topic. I’m just being told to relax (a little bit tired), just to lie down, rest, perceive myself completely supported, floating and warm and comfortable. Yes, I’m receiving some love, so thank you for waiting…. It’s really strange, I’m just not feeling the impulse to speak… (It’s really boring, Rob)… the point is, is that there are times when we don’t have quite the energy and it takes some additional energy being added to ours. 

Rob: You said the Mother.  I immediately got an image of an apparition, like at Fatima, Medjugorje. 

Jennifer:  I was seeing the [arms blessing version of her].. I’ll show you my little Mother [statue], here she is. I got her in the Dominican Republic, just love her purity and sweetness, kindness and warmth. She is very young here, but I love the gesture of the open palms… 

So, what’s the delay here? Well, it has to do with my being willing to just begin… So. 

Rob: Mother. Why have you come? Why are you coming to Jennifer?

Mother Mary:  Because of my great love for the children that are incarnating on the planet to bring enlightenment, basically, to bring a great deal of light and understanding and awareness to the life, your common life. If you have this strong influence from your televisions that affect you in one way, you also have this wonderful influence from the children, that they bring to you their delight, they bring to you their laughter, they bring to you their curiosity and their energy and their creativity.  

And you can see that no matter what’s going on in the world, they have so much to offer and it is very much your job to protect them. It is very much your job to nurture them and care for them and and protect them from, really, the disappointment and the cynicism of the world – the fear, you see, if you are able to help them to hold on to their strong trust – they have a very strong sense of trust – and help them to maintain their innocence, not by withholding any information from them, but by protecting their awareness, which is of a higher quality than most adults’, their awareness of truth, their awareness of the love that they are, their awareness of their own capacity as creators, their use of imagination and play. 

So, the children are your future. The children are your healing. The children are your opportunity to learn everything you didn’t learn the first time around, or you’ve forgotten. They are a great reminder. And they are very much to be cherished. And this – none of this – is new to Jennifer, having been devoted to children most of her life. She is well aware of their strengths and their qualities. And the reticence to guide, specifically when, in fact, they’re your teachers? 

It is, it is valuable to hold open possibilities for them to step forward with their own knowing, and if their own knowing seems excessively naive to you or it seems to be wishful thinking, silence is the best, is the best  response. So there’s absolutely nothing from the conversation earlier today that should not have taken place. And it is just a layer of self doubt that Jennifer feels because of the fact that the children’s parents are not present.

And it is the children’s parents’ responsibility, primarily, to protect their children and to shape their children’s understanding of spiritual matters. So it is right to be very careful in how you support and what you say. And this is understood, this is understood. 

So if the question is whether to dig deeper with the child on any particular topic that seems to be controversial within the family, the answer would be: Allow yourself to be guided by the child, as far as their questions are concerned. But always to say that this is your understanding, this is your perspective, and not everybody believes that. And, you are already practicing this so that they will get to make up their own minds – that is what’s important to you also. 

You do not want to brainwash with the truth, even with truth. You do not want to take away the formation of the questions and the discovery of the answers by providing all the answers, as though they are prizes in a cereal box.  Or some treat that you have delightedly prepared for them. This is serious business; this is the business of questioning and answering, you know, of leading from one wonder to the next, and it is best led by the child, for certain. 

So there is nothing really to be added to your questioning from earlier. There is only our love and support. When you find yourself in a position where a child is asking you a question, just go into your heart. Feel what is best in that situation. You know not to unload the whole package. So. And Rob will have his own opportunities when his little ones are a little older, too. 

You want to keep the doors open, keep the windows open. Keep the conversation open. Openness is a good guide and little bit by little bit, these children will discover, if they have forgotten, and they will begin to remember, because they are wired much more completely than you were, Even with all of the love that you carried into your life, there was much forgetting. And they are much more sovereign. And if you find that, at times, you are over-written by their own thoughts, allow this. They perhaps understand more than you do. 

Certainly they are their own guidance. They have their own guidance team, and they have their own teachers who are always available to them. Remember that when they are in the dream state, they are not just playing with sandcastles at the beach. They are having other serious conversations about their next development too; they are receiving their guidance in their sleep time. 

And they are with you for a reason, so that you can bless them with your enthusiasm and your faith. I have basically reiterated for you what you already know. But perhaps it is worthwhile for others facing the same question–how to guide children? Guide them with your love. Guide them with your sensitivity, with your protection, your nurturing, your deep respect for their innocence, and what a beautiful quality it is. Give them a little bit at a time. 

Was there anything else before I depart?

Rob: I do have a question and it’s related to how do we walk that fine line, know where the line is, between allowing a child the freedom to express themselves while at the same time making them understand and live within a structure –  I don’t want to say of obedience – but, for instance, when it’s time to go, it’s time to go. It’s no longer time to play, play time is over. 

Mother Mary: Well, they see right through the idea of time. “It’s time,” [you say] as though you believe time is a law. It’s more, really, that you explain to them that you need their cooperation because you’re a family, and your needs are important and their needs are important. And you try to to balance those needs. But you are hungry and you want to get home for dinner, or, you’re tired and they need to go home to their parents, so that their parents can care for them. 

And so be honest with them about what time it is, rather than it being four o’clock or five o’clock or some arbitrary number, which they see right through it. That’s the construct that they don’t respect, and rightly so, but what it is [really] is the symbolic contract between all of those in your society who have agreed that that’s a good time to do certain things. 

So if you can explain to them that you request their cooperation, that you’re helping them and you’d like to teach them to help you, help you and work with you on the situation. And they won’t always understand, or be able to [see] your needs as being important, maybe not as important as theirs, but somewhat important. But that is what they need to learn, because they are living in a cooperative group, a family group, and the family is important and the family protects them. So they do need to contribute to the well-being of the family, so the family is strong and able to take care of them. And this is what is most useful. 

Rob: Got it. Thank you.

Mother Mary: Okay. Yes. We’re delighted to speak with you tonight. Be at peace. We love you.

Channelled by Jennifer Donaldson, July 15th, 2024, with Rob Loveland